The excerpts from Correia’s blog are taken from GRRM’s response to Correia’s response to GRRM’s initial post about the puppies. We’re through the looking glass here people!

[[CORREIA: When I started this the Hugo Awards were not portrayed as the awards that belonged to WorldCon. They were portrayed as the awards that represented the best of all of fandom. After my first experience seeing how the sausage was made, I publically said the same thing you said there, that the Hugo Awards don’t represent all of fandom, they represent one tiny part of fandom. I was called a liar.]]

Larry is going to be called a lot of things, buckle up. One of the biggest problems with the writing style of the Puppies on/about themselves is the lack of context. He’s right: the Hugos represent voting members of WorldCon, which is a small percentage of fandom. HOWEVER, I suspect that by “tiny part” he means “Liberal Clique”, which might be why he was called a liar. If someone flat out said “Larry Correia, you’re a liar.” Which, given the internet, someone probably did.

[[CORREIA: I too was nominated for the Campbell for Best New Writer. As a young, new writer, who had grown up reading the great ones, I was super excited by this incredible honor. See, I was born around when you got your Campbell nomination. I was one of those fans who grew up believing it when great authors said things like “this is your award” and “this award belongs to the fans, the readers”. Because I was naïve. I was overjoyed when I found out I’d been nominated. I was even dumb enough to think that I might have a chance. I had already read works from two of the other nominees and I knew that they were remarkable story tellers. I had read Wells and Beukes and knew the quality of their work was excellent. In any fair wordsmithing contest either could kick my ass, and I hadn’t even read Ahmed or Grossman yet, but if they were as good as the other two, then there would be a lot of quality works to choose from.]]

I do like me some Lev Grossman. Now, let’s take a moment to notice the negativity here. He was naive to think he had a shot. Ok, we’ll need to wait for the dramatic reveal to find out why.

[[CORREIA: But that’s the kicker… I hadn’t realized yet that for many voters it wasn’t about the quality of the work. Within a few days of the nominations being announced I not only knew that I was going to lose, I knew that I was going to be last place. Only it had absolutely nothing to do with my writing, but rather, who I was, and what I was.]]

And the dramatic reveal. Here’s the problem with those sentences: from the admittedly small sample I read five years ago, Larry Correia is inextricably bound up in his writing. More than many, though not all, other writers. I invite you to go read as much as you can of Monster Hunter International. I made it through two chapters. Then go to Monster Hunter Nation and read his bio. His main character is HIM. A better him. A super-awesome him, but him. It’s more than a little disingenuous to make the claim that people are judging one’s writing based on one’s personality/politics when those elements overwhelm one’s writing.

[[CORREIA: *Skipping a bit about Young Larry sprinting down the metaphorical stairs of cable internet to the Christmas Tree of reviews*]]

[[CORREIA: I know I was. So I went out on the internet and started searching my name, trying to find out what the buzz was for the Campbell nominees. I started calling friends who belonged to various writer forums and organizations that I didn’t belong to, asking about what people thought of my books in there. You know what I found? WorldCon voters angry that a right-wing Republican (actually I’m a libertarian) who owned a gun store (gasp) was nominated for the prestigious Campbell. This is terrible. Did you know he did lobbying for gun rights! It’s right there on his hateful blog of hatey hate hate! He’s awful. He’s a bad person. He’s a Mormon! What! Another damned Mormon! Oh no, there are two Mormons up for the Campbell? I bet Larry Correia hates women and gays. He’s probably a racist too. Did you know he’s part of the evil military industrial complex? What a jerk. Meanwhile, I’m like, but did they like my books?
No. Hardly any of them had actually read my books yet. Many were proud to brag about how they wouldn’t read my books, because badthink, and you shouldn’t have to read books that you know are going to make you angry. A handful of people claimed to have my read my books, but they assured the others that they were safe to put me last, because as expected for a shit person, my words were shit, and so they were good people to treat me like shit.]]

Yes, Larry, people on the internet don’t like you. People you’ve never met don’t like you. Many don’t like your politics. Many don’t like your religion. Welcome to being a first world human in the year of our web 2015. You’re lucky you’re a white male human, because MANY MANY MANY non-white, non-male humans get a lot worse treatment for reasons that have little to do with the choices they made/continue to make. And because many people don’t like X about you, they’re not going to read your books. Now is it unfair that people are making terrible assumptions about your possible racism, sexism, and homophobia? Maybe, but you pal around with Vox Day and John C. Wright (both of whom have been/are on the Puppies’ slates) and, forgive me, but I can’t see you saying to either of them “Hey, man! I wish you’d stop saying all those terrible things about people who aren’t straight white men!” I have trouble imagining this largely because you describe “the warm fuzzies [those people] get for nominating someone with a foreign last name” in a blog post. I have yet to meet someone who unironically references “white guilt” as a reason for choosing anything who does not have some sort of racist views.

Let me bottom line it for you, because SHIT do I hate it when you guys throw around Orwellian language as though he were not a left-lefty-left-left who would have hated everything you stand for. Even if all of those people had read your books, they would not have been impressed, nor would they have voted for you, because frankly, everything they don’t like about you appears in the first two chapters of your first book. Actually, “appears” is wrong. “…gleams like an idol polished by a fervent worshipper” is more appropriate and “…is thrown onto the page as though it were received wisdom, above all criticism” is much more accurate.

That shit is jarring because it usually has nothing to do with plot, or character, or narrative and everything to do with grinding the author’s axe. Soapboxing does not make for particularly good writing.

[[CORREIA: Now, don’t get me wrong. I’m not lumping all of the WorldCon voters in with that perpetually outraged, politically motivated clique. I know plenty of voters read my books and just didn’t think they were as good as the people I was up against. Awesome. I salute you for you being an honest person with an honest opinion, and let’s face it, people have different tastes. But don’t tell me now that the Hugos don’t have whisper campaigns…]]

Well, I’d believe you more if you’d started your rant about persecution with this paragraph, rather than describing how wronged you were before admitting that many people didn’t think you were as good as the other authors. I can tell you for damned sure that you’re not as good as Grossman. And now, “whisper campaigns”. Do you mean talking about the merits and flaws of various authors? I think I might be belaboring this point, but are you absolutely sure that the whispering campaign was “Don’t read his books because he’s conservative.” and not “Don’t read his books because they’re poorly done Libertarian fantasy, like I mean worse than Goodkind.” Because, again, when that kind of thing permeates a book (no matter where on the political spectrum the screed originates), you can’t really call people out for not wanting to read it.

[[CORREIA: Then I went to my very first WorldCon. Mr. Martin, you talked about your positive, joyous experiences at WorldCon. How you were welcomed as a peer, about how you had all these great, wonderful, memorable experiences. But I’m betting before your first WorldCon a whole bunch of malignant lying bastards didn’t spread the word to thousands of complete strangers that you were a racist, sexist, homophobic warmonger who deserved to be shunned.]]

I see. Is your claim that you’re not any of those things? You’re a Mormon, and the Mormon Church as an organization has been pretty staunchly and outspokenly homophobic in the past few years. And really?! Warmonger?! “Death Merchant” I can see; you sell guns, you’ve worked for gun rights (I should note that you do not claim any activism for, say, Gay rights. You are a libertarian, right? Small government, right? Or is it that you mostly don’t want people infringing on your gun rights?), A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THAT. A lot of people might not want to give you money because of where it might end up. Do not be upset because you put your heart on your sleeve and other people didn’t like the color. You know Gene Wolfe? How about Glen Cook? They both manage to write without their politics being central to their stories. And you know what, duder, I wouldn’t want to hang out with you either, because we’d get in fights. Do you want to hang out with people you’d yell at? I mean, is the entire point of your post that people for whom you have no respect don’t like you either? You can’t have it both ways, sir.

[[CORREIA: I met many wonderful people at that WorldCon. I also had many people treat me like garbage. I was berated by other panelists. I had people get up and leave the room when I entered. I had belligerent drunks challenging me at room parties because “Oh, it’s that fucker”.]]

Oh, wait, um no. You didn’t have a bad WorldCon, you met some nice people and some assholes. Let me ask you again, are you sure the people who didn’t like you disliked you on the basis of rumor, and not, say, because you’d written something racist, misogynistic, or homophobic in your books?

[[CORREIA: A lot of people will tell you now that I bring this upon myself, because I am rude and abrasive on the internet now. Yes. Now. But back then I was still trying to play it cool, and didn’t think I could have a successful career if I made the wrong people angry. It wasn’t until after that WorldCon that I said screw it, they’re going to hate me anyway, might as well state my honest opinions. So I mostly hung out with the Barflies, because they were cool. But I can hang out with Barflies at fifty other cons where I’m not assumed to be the second coming of Hitler because the internet said so. And while I hung out with them, I got to hear how many of them were shunned for various reasons too.]]

Sorry, this is back then? In 2011? After I wrote my Amazon review of your book? Gotta tell you, you have a strange definition of “play it cool”. And yes, you hung out with a lot of rabidly conservative authors and fans and found out that they were “shunned”. Dude, I don’t have to hang out with or talk to you. Nor are you obligated to spend time with me. Did you cheerfully and joyously spend time with Liberals? Is your point that fandom and the awards should be above politics? Because, once again, your writing isn’t. You can’t ask people to judge you by what you write and not what you say/think when those to categories are basically the same.

[[CORREIA: Then I went to the award ceremony, and the parties, and the various schmoozefests, and I discovered that the Hugo Awards were like one great big In Joke. And the cool kids told their cool stories to the other cool kids, and lorded it over those who weren’t part of the In Joke. Honestly, it reminded me of high school, and I was the poor fat kid who had inadvertently pissed off the mean girls.]]

Are you absolutely sure it wasn’t just you? Because this is where I start to recognize your pattern of thought, and I feel bad for you, and worried for myself. See, I went to the World Fantasy Con and had this experience where I was welcomed into a group of the cool kids and just froze the fuck up because I felt like an impostor. Which leads me to my probably projection-based theory. You’re looking for an objective measure of your worth. Some goal which, when reached, will assure you that you’ve made it, you’re in, you’re one of the cool kids. Except that, for, well, people like both of us, that doesn’t exist.

[[CORREIA: Then I got to meet and hang out with a whole bunch of authors, artists, and creators who spent most of the con bitching about how broken and biased the Hugos were. Some of these were old school, and got the In Jokes. Some were so talented, so famous, so successful, that it blew my mind that here they were at dinner, pissed off and angry that they knew they would never get any sort of consideration.]]

Except for the fame, talent, and success. Except for those. Huh. It’s almost as though they might move the goalposts for some reason.

[[CORREIA: After the awards were over and all the cool kids patted each other on the back about how brilliant they were, and everything shook out pretty much exactly how everybody predicted it would anyway, they released the actual numbers for nominations and votes, and I discovered just how freaking tiny the number of people involved in this supposedly most prestigious award in the world was. The winners were those who played the game, and as I sat there with the losers, I watched the game already being played for next year. As an author, I was sad. As a fan, I was disgusted. But as an auditor, I marveled at how something so statistically insignificant could be taken so seriously.]]

HOW TINY WAS IT?!  No seriously, what were the numbers? Was it 1000 people? Less? More? How many fans did they represent? How many people do the pollsters ask in Presidential elections? I’m sure that, as an auditor, you know that a relatively accurate poll can be conducted from a sample of 1500 people, which seems small to me, but I’m not a math guy.

[[CORREIA: That was my first exposure to how the process really worked. So I went home, dejected. And when I openly spoke about my experience, and I said pretty much exactly what you just said there, Mr. Martin, that the awards don’t represent all of fandom, and that they just represent one tiny, insular, clique of fandom… I was called a liar. I was attacked all over again. I was told it was just sour grapes from a loser, but what could you expect from a shit writer, making shit product?]]

Um… reference a clique and a whisper campaign does not adequately explain the voting process. And as I said, there’s a difference between saying that a small group chooses the winners and saying that a small group of these particular people chooses the winners for these reasons. And also, frankly, you did have a shit product. David Gerrold says you have merit, but I don’t know which work of yours he read. And, Hell, maybe I’m wrong. Maybe that first book was terribad and you’ve gotten much better. Maybe. But those two chapters speak strongly against another attempt at your fiction on my part.

[[CORREIA: The Hugos represent greatness, worthiness, and all of fandom. WorldCon is inclusive. How dare you question it? So I said I would prove it, and I did.]]

Well, it might not be inclusive of you. Perhaps you’re an asshole. Other people have discussed the wide variety of political thought (Heinlein alone pretty much hit everything) represented by the Hugo Winners, so I’ll refrain.

And we’ve just run into another stumbling block. How exactly did you prove that the Hugos were insular?

[[CORREIA: I am many terrible things, but dishonest is not one of them. Let me clarify something, because I have been personally attacked for this for three years now. Yes, like most authors I dreamed of winning a Hugo, because I was very naïve. In the past I did very much want to win a Hugo. Just like I was dumb enough for a couple days to think that I might actually have a shot at winning a Campbell. However, I know that I will not ever win a Hugo. I’m way too good at statistical analysis. I had a snowball’s chance in hell before I upset the apple cart and made myself radioactive to the typical WorldCon voter.]]

You’re somewhat delusional, and you clearly, CLEARLY, do not spend anytime in self-reflection. Sorry, neighbor, you are dishonest. You’re lying to yourself about your motives if nothing else. Also, are you absolutely sure that the typical WorldCon voter does not represent the typical SF Fan? I mean you’d be way too good at statistical analysis to ignore that, right? Also, you’d be sure that, all things being equal, your writing could win on merit, right?

[[CORREIA: Not only did I know going into this that I would never win a Hugo, I also knew that I was going to make myself a target, and that I would be slandered, threatened, and have my career sabotaged. But I still did it anyway.]]

Hmm. Has Baen canceled your contract? The site still advertises you. And by “career sabotage”, do you mean “working with a bunch of real assholes to make sure that me and all my cool, downtrodden friends get to take our rightful place in history as defined by us”? Because, if so, you might take a minute to realize how likely people are to find you easy to work with.

[[CORREIA: I got a nomination for my novel Warbound last year. The people I’m trying to expose rose to the occasion, formed lynch mobs and started attacking. I got a nomination again this year, for my novel Monster Hunter Nemesis, but I refused the nomination, specifically to prove that this isn’t about me wanting a Hugo. Apparently that still isn’t enough. Allow me to demonstrate my conviction, and state for the record that I will never accept a Hugo award nomination for myself. However, I will continue to assist other authors who I believe have been unfairly blacklisted and shunned get theirs.]]

You got a nomination because you formed a clique to block-vote all of your guys into the awards. You also loudly trumpeted your intentions all over the internet. Is it possible that you were attacked because you’re an asshole? And climb down off of your cross, man. No one is buying that martyrdom bullshit. It sure is big of you to refuse any future nominations for an award that you feel you’d never win. Let me bring in my theory again. You’re not a good judge of talent. Here is my proof: in another blogpost, I referred to one of your posts last year (which, btw, sort of belies your claim that you thought you’d never win a Hugo. Unless, of course, you felt as though your chances had been buoyed by packing the votes.) in which you used both the word count of a work, and the time spent composing a work as yardsticks by which to measure the quality of a work. Except that those standards are bullshit. They’re fine objective standards which are absolutely useless for conducting a subjective evaluation. Your definition of “blacklisted’ appears to be largely “straight white men” (excluding, for reasons I cannot fathom, the late great Iain M. Banks who wrote some truly beautiful novels) which is really weird given a cursory glance at past Hugo Winners and Nominees.

[[CORREIA: While WorldCon complains of the shrinking and greying of fandom, Salt Lake City ComicCon has been around for 2 years and has 150,000 attendees.]]

Ok, I am not an expert in statistical analysis, but on what basis are you making this comparison? How big is WorldCon? Is it held in an arena which might allow 150,000 attendees? Do fans of comics skew younger than fans of novels (hint: yes)? Is WorldCon easier to get to or is SLCCC easier to get to? Does World Con attract movie and video game studios as much as Comic Cons do? How about celebrities from TV and Film? Have novel sales been decreasing? Are people perhaps not reading as many novels? Are you just comparing these two events because, hey, they’re both nerd things?

[[CORREIA: For some people, books might not be their primary fannish outlet, but they still read books. Just because somebody plays Dragon Age or the Witcher doesn’t mean they don’t read fantasy novels too. Heck, I believe Halo tie in novels are some of the bestselling books in scifi. If somebody was introduced to fantasy by watching Game of Thrones on HBO, and then they bought and read all your books, discovered they liked fantasy and read other books, and they thought some are awesome and deserving of an award, are they somehow lesser fans on the scales of fandom because they don’t know WorldCon trivia?]]

Um, what part does WorldCon trivia play in choosing the Hugo winners? This is the first time you’ve mentioned it. Also… from what I remember of MHI you consider yourself to be a dab hand at trivia. But to back up for a sec. The answer to your question is yes. Not because of WorldCon Trivia, but if you come in thinking that hey, these epic Fantasy books are the best and they should all win awards without having read anything else, then you are a lesser fan. You have less experience, less depth and breadth of reading, and less ability to judge from a wider field. Also, not sure what this paragraph has to do with your main argument, unless it’s that WorldCongoers are out of touch.

[[CORREIA: The barbaric outsiders shelling out their $40 to get involved now grew up being told that the Hugos were it, the Big Deal, the best of the best, and like me, they were naïve enough to believe it for a long time.]]

But the award is not the best because mean ol’ liberals took it away from you? I mean, all awards ceremonies are political. All of them. Maybe not in the sense you mean, but they are.

[[CORREIA: Yet, as the Hugos became increasingly politically skewed in one direction, people can now admit that is because they reflected WorldCon, not all of Fandom, only for all these years Fandom were the ones being told that they were dumb for liking the wrong things. They were wrongfan having wrongfun.]]

No, dumbfuck. No. No one’s trying to take away your fun. No one’s trying to shut down the house of Baen, or even Vox Day’s circle-jerk-of-a-vanity-press. All we’re saying is, maybe, JUST FUCKING MAYBE, John Grisham shouldn’t win the Pulitzer Prize. We’re saying that what’s popular is not necessarily the best thing in the field. And we can’t say that the Hugos didn’t reflect fandom, we can only say that vote-packing means you can usually stack a vote on your favor. OH DEAR GOD, YOUR MUCH VAUNTED STATISTICAL SKILLS SEEM TO HAVE EVAPORATED!

[[CORREIA: Why do the many people involved in the Sad Puppies campaign seem to hate WorldCon? Because the SJW crowd (I know you don’t like that term, but it is the appropriate one to use here) hates my kind of fan, actively and routinely attacks my kind of fan, and calls them racist, sexist, homophobes without evidence, all day, every day. I know the SJWs are only one small clique at WorldCon, however they are the loudest and the meanest. And sadly, the moderate, rational, normal WorldCon folks rarely seem to condemn them for their antics. So from over here on the Sad Puppies side, they take your silence and lack of condemnation against the hate mongers as tacit approval, and then they tend to lump you together.]]

“I think Vox Day oughtta win” “You’re homophobic!” “WHERE’S YOUR EVIDENCE!”
Also that last sentence is so rich with irony it is practically both Koch brothers. Perhaps people aren’t condemning those mean liberals because, hey, they’re right.

[[CORREIA: WorldCon claims to be inclusive, but scroll through the various comments threads on the various fan blogs on my side of the fence and get their perspective sometime. SFWA also claims to be welcoming, inclusive, and apolitical, but again, read how they are really perceived by many. Snobbish, snooty, bossy, self-righteous, etc. Don’t take my word for it—you know I’m terribly biased—but ask them yourself.]]

Great. This is a mess. Are people from WorldCon being mean and exclusionary? Was that before or after you were a massive prick? And who perceives the SFWA to be snobbish, snooty, bossy and self-righteous? How many? Why is the SFWA perceived in this manner? Can you actually support any of these goddamn claims you’ve made? Would you even try, once?

[[CORREIA: Hypothetical question, if Robert Heinlein wrote Starship Troopers in 2014, could he get on the Hugo ballot now? Or would he be labeled a fascist with troubling ideas, and a product of the neo-colonial patriarchy? And before you dismiss that question, maybe you should read up on what the voting clique that shall not be named says about Heinlein now. Sadly, I suspect the only way Heinlein could get on the ballot today would be if my horde of uncouth barbarian outsiders got involved and put him on our suggested slate.]]

Oh, don’t fucking start with that faux-academic crap. Sigh. More of the same, more of the same, all you spout is more of the same. Let’s play more games! What if Heinlein published “Stranger in A Strange Land” right now? WOULD THAT WIN, DO YOU THINK?! Should we not examine Heinlein’s problem areas? Can we not agree that Farnham’s Freehold and Sixth Column have some race issues? Can we not wonder about all of the creepy sex in Time Enough For Love? Also, dude, I have a whole damn shelf of Heinlein. Shut up.

[[CORREIA: Yes, I do get angry, and yes, I have said some very mean things as part of that. I know you’re not looking for excuses, Mr. Martin, but I’m a little nobody, no name, hack author, who sells a tiny fraction as many books as you do, who had the bright idea to expose the bias in a biased system. As a result I’ve had people who know better spread the vilest lies about me you can imagine, and even when they know it is a lie, they have continued. For five years, nobody on your side said a damned thing about tone when I was the one being labeled a hatemonger, or a “rape apologist” by disingenuous SFWA presidents, or they were using fabricated “scare quotes” to show I was a homophobic woman hater in the Guardian. So, yeah, I’m angry. When people who haven’t talked to my wife since high school reach out to her, worried for her safety, because they read about how her husband is a wife beater, I get angry. Right now in about 50 blogs going out to I don’t know how many hundreds of thousands of people, the narrative is that I’m an angry white man, trying to keep scifi straight and white and male.]]

This is a fine example of what the Irish call “the poor mouth”. Yes, you’re not as successful as GRRM. You and about 99% of the field. Irrelevant. Unimportant. Shut up. You’re a best-seller. You are also a hack, these two things are not exclusive, but you are not a “little nobody”. Let’s see, hatemonger. Do you tithe to the church? Did the church oppose gay marriage in, oh, say, a California election? Did you speak out against it? No? Do you seem to believe that people of color only get nominated because they’re people of color? Then you might be hatemonging just a friggin smidge. Do you call people who disagree with you a name which equates actual concerns about culture with whining? Well, then you might be a hatemonger. Lessee “Rape Apologist”? I need more context, but you might well be one.

Sorry about the false accusations. That sucks.

BUT if the narrative shoe fits, FUCKING WEAR IT YOU ENORMOUS COCKBAG HYPOCRITE. TAKING THE HUGOS BACK FOR STRAIGHT WHITE MEN IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU’RE DOING!

[[CORREIA: You know the most heartening things I’ve seen this week are? Writers who are my polar political opposites finally standing up and saying things like yes, Larry Coreia is an asshole, but he’s not any of these horrible things you are accusing him of, or yes, Larry Correia is an asshole, but please quit threatening to kill him and his entire family. That’s been nice.]]

Which things? See above for things you might actually be doing. And yes, the internet is a terrible place. There’s no excuse for death threats or trolling. Just to be sure… no one on your side is doing those things, right? It’s just the liberals? You have a good handle on the extremists you’ve fired up? No one getting out of hand? Ok, just checking.

[[CORREIA: LOCUS I think it has like 40 or 50 books but ZERO from Baen (a publishing house that gets a bad rap because it is willing to publish any author regardless of their politics, from capital L Libertarians to card carrying Communists as long as they can tell a good story).]]

Er, actually, no. Baen will publish anyone who will make them money, regardless of talent. And if you think the Hugos are skewed, please check the politics of most of Baen’s stable.

[[CORREIA: Yes, there were competing cliques, but the only cliques who mattered all looked virtually identical to us outsiders looking in. And hardly anything they ever nominated represented anything we liked. To most of us barbarian wrongfans, the competing cliques were indistinguishable from one another. For example, correct me if I’m wrong but I believe with last year’s winners, every single one shared similar political viewpoints. And all but one of them was white, yet that year was hailed as a huge win for diversity. You need to see this from Wrongfan’s perspective. You guys had competing cliques, but to us it was like an Eskimo having a thousand different words for snow, and you can tell us about your many diverse and wonderful types of snow, but all we saw was snow.]]

Yes. The one time you were there. When you lost. Which was enough to prove conspiracy, despite the fact that much better authors than you have also lost. Multiple times. And perhaps we have different standards. You, for example, think that self-insert-Mary-Sue-fedora-wearing-m’ladying types make excellent main characters. I do not.
And oh god here it is again. Maybe fandom has swung to the Left. Maybe the popular guys on the right aren’t writing good fiction. Maybe WorldCon is an accurate reflection of Fandom. Who knows? I am also going take the low-hanging fruit and say that it’s not a surprise that all you see is white.

[[CORREIA: And in recent years when we looked at the ballots it was like, awesome, let’s choose between these five items of approved socially conscious message fiction. Yay! We’ve got selections from: religious people are stupid bigots, capitalists are raping the earth, capitalists are stupid bigots, bigots are stupid, and I’m not quite sure what the hell this last thing is about and I’m not even sure if it qualifies as fantasy or scifi but it has bigots in it… Oh man, tough call.]]

Maybe because nobody wanted to choose from the right-wank fluff escapism. Your basic argument is that fluff can be just as good a story as something with a message. Well, yes, sometimes the messages are too intrusive, sometimes they prevent the story from being good. But again, don’t get bent out of shape when I think that Les Mis  is a better musical than Oklahoma. We’re not going back to the pulps. We’ve moved on. Pure entertainment SF, especially of the sort you champion, which is largely straight white male power/sex fantasy, just isn’t as well-written as other works in the genre. Sorry. I am not ever going to nominate the Dragonlance Novels over anything by Jack Vance.

[[CORREIA: I don’t want to be Hugo Pope.]]

Ah, no, this is almost completely dishonest. You’ve been playing kingmaker for three years. At the very least you want to be the Hugo Cardinal Richelieu.

[{CORREIA: Last year I didn’t do anything different than what was listed above. I talked about it on my blog. I tried to motivate and rally people to get involved. I plugged stuff I liked. And all of a sudden there was a little clique of Wrongfan nominating for LonCon, just big enough to get one item into every category. We were no different than the other above mentioned subfandoms. Yet, somehow, when I did that, I was a filthy villain, breaking all the rules, with no respect for tradition. Just as I predicted, there was a wrathful terrible public backlash from the clique which shall not be named, and even though I went into it knowing that none of us would actually win, once the final results came in, the leaders of the clique which shall not be named out of respect for Mr. Martin, moved the goal posts, and danced in our blood. Articles were written about how these horrible racist hate mongers were soundly driven from the sainted halls of WorldCon. Back beneath your rock, foul barbarians! And anyone who supported Sad Puppies was motivated by racism! Booooooo!]]

Lies. Lies. Lies. You tried to break the ballot, and you’ve already named the clique, you massive fuckwit, please stop being cute, you’re not good at it. YOU ASKED PEOPLE TO MAKE A BLOCK VOTE! Do you not see the diff- oh what am I asking, of course you don’t. You’re poor little Larry Correia, so hurt by the liberal clique that you have several best sellers and a publishing contract and you’re a full-time writer. Also, dude, VOX DAY was on your slate. VOX DAY. Yes, he is a horrible racist hate-monger. You backed him. Guess what.

[[CORREIA: To be perfectly frank, some things changed between LonCon and SasQuan. I’d proved my point about the bias and attacks, and was ready to hang it up. They poked the bear, the bear mauled them, and now the bear just wanted to go back to his cave and be left alone. But Brad Torgersen is an idealist, Mr. Martin, I can’t accentuate this enough. He would be dead in Westeros in fifteen minutes. Brad is TruFan. That man waves his nerd flag high. He looks at the Hugo with adoration like it is some sort of religious icon with a halo around it. He prays to his altar of Saint Heinlein 3 times a day and lights candles for Frank Herbert. If I was naïve at first, Brad makes me look… hell… I don’t even have a good comparison. So when he grew up hearing that the Hugos represented the Best of the Best, bright shining light on the hill, he incorporated that into the very fiber of his being… At that point Sad Puppies was no longer just about proving a point. It was about giving a voice to a whole mess of fans who didn’t think they would ever have one again. The mission changed, and it became about getting deserving worthy creators who would normally be shunned or ignored some freaking recognition for once in their lives. It was time to stand up to the clique that shall not be named and their lectures about how we were having wrongfun. Unlike the existing cliques, Sad Puppies 3 didn’t give a damn about politics, race, religion, or orientation. All we cared about was could they tell us a damned good story.]]

Oh, poor Brad Torgerson. Brad Torgerson cannot write a coherent essay to save his life. Poor you guys who nominated at least one hateful right-winger who can tell a “good story”. Poor, poor, poor. Still doing block voting. Still assuming that it’s the same thing as voting by merit. I begin to question this statistical ability of yours. Even I can tell that if you have, say, 20 books, being chosen by 1250 people, and 250 of those people are only going to vote for one book, no matter what, well, guess what gets on the ballot. Oh, also given your earlier concerns about fairness, all of your merry band did read everything, right? Just to be sure they could accurately judge it and not choose based on politics? You know, you inveighed against that method earlier?

[[CORREIA: If the people attacking us don’t chill out, more of my people are going to get pissed off, and it might hit a 12 or 13 next year. :)]]

“Stop sending me death threats, but by god we might start threatening to kill you all, LOL.” Once again, you wanted to provoke a reaction. You did. You are now upset because you provoked a reaction. I am unsurprised that you don’t understand causality.

[[CORREIA: If you want to talk about going forward, from here, I don’t know what to tell you about your campaigning cliques. They were already there long before we showed up. But you really want to “fix it” and make sure my people don’t screw it up anymore, and keep the Hugos sacred? Well, right now the ball is in your court. You’ve got people out there who supposedly love the award so much that they are organizing block votes for No Award against absurdly deserving yet consistently overlooked people like Jim Butcher, Toni Weisskopf, and Kevin J. Anderson, all to burn the whole thing down, just because my people violated your secret gentleman’s agreement and plugged them on a slate.]]

Jim Butcher, unless he’s gotten about 10X better, should not win an award. He’s just not that good. And Anderson and Weisskopf have been nominated before. And I think one of them won. And yes, people are organizing block votes to negate your block votes. Seems like a reasonable tactic. I also hope you thought about the careers you might be sabotaging when you nominated people, because you sure were quick to say that someone else had done it to you somehow. In an unexplained way.

[[CORREIA: I think you will find that the people who are involved with Sad Puppies are willing to talk about the future, but we are very tired of being yelled at and lied about. No matter what happens, whether you like the term for them or not, you guys need to calm your SJWs down, and tell them to quit forming angry twitter mobs, and scaring the hell out of authors who cross their invisible lines.]]
Nope. Not gonna talk to them. Not gonna try to reason with them. Not gonna engage. This is not about fairness or engagement, quit claiming that it is. This is about being butthurt. And once again, I’m sorry that the people you were trying so very hard to piss off got mad at you. Oh, btw, since “us guys” haven’t organized anything I hope you’re content with individual people trying to calm down the people you’ve been working so hard to rile up.

Goddamnit. I wanted to have more sympathy, but reading your posts drained me of whatever I had. You’re a sad, scared, little boy who’s upset that the world isn’t what he wants it to be. Welcome to adulthood. You don’t think you belong. Welcome to being human. If you would for one goddamn minute think about what consequences you might have provoked instead of boldly claiming to be the victim of your own assholishness… I wouldn’t have spent the last four hours writing this.

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